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and it hits me oh my gosh this is that

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you know there's explanation for

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everything that occurred in the

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Rendlesham forest incident that aliens

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at all it was completely silent it comes

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right over our head he's sick he's also

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really standing in the clearing he

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turned over to my father and held his

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hand and he looked in his eyes and said

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coming from Norris Sisk Russia which is

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beautiful town hoppin little town lots

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of people here our guest for this

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evening is Peeta celebi's I'm gonna ask

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him how to pronounce that better than

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that he has written a book called UFOs

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over Poland in a land of high

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strangeness should be a great topic

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network so how are you alejandro I am

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good how are you my friend I'm good and

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glad to be here so early in the morning

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how is everything going over there in

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the States

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everything is going really well keeping

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very busy and as usual you know there's

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a lots of interesting news out there so

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which leaves me in a quandary and

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baffled on a regular basis yeah even

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when it feels like there's nothing going

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on there's always something going on

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yeah even the weeks where the news is

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slow there's something that happened so

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but days like today or weeks like this

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there's a lot going on so which keeps

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things exciting but like we'll talk

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about today you know everything is all

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over the board and leaves you scratching

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your head what the heck ah

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so right so what's the first thing you

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want to talk about that sounded like

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your peanut butter baby impression and

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you know the younger people are gonna

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crack up do you know who the peanut

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butter baby is no I'm not young enough

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for cool enough it's it's a viral gift

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out there where there's this baby

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sitting on a table that got into some

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peanut butter and spread it all over

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itself and the mom comes up walks up and

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goes what are you doing and the baby

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just looks over and goes ah kind of like

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you just did and that's how I thought

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maybe that's what you're doing but it's

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hilarious you got to see it it's very

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funny

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but let's talk about UFOs so here are

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the couple of stories so here are people

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finding different things so I want to

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talk about both of these first of all

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Tom DeLonge so you know we've talked

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about him over the years because he's a

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UFO buff but he recently did some

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interviews with George Knapp of klas

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he's an investigative reporter in Las

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Vegas part of what they call the i-team

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you know every local news has a team

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that goes in to investigate you know

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wrongdoings or what have you but George

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of course is into UFOs one of the best

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UFO journalist

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he's just a great journalist overall but

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he's been able to become friends with

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Tom DeLonge who is a superstar rock and

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roll guy part of blink-182 but Tom

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DeLonge has pretty much ditched left

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blink-182 and rock and roll although

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he's still doing it but he's got his own

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band called Angels and Airwaves but

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everything he's doing now is UFO related

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so he's doing these fiction he just

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released a book called secret machines

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it's the first of several books and it's

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fiction based on reality and he says you

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know he's got these government insiders

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that are telling him things and he's

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gonna release some of this shocking

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information he's essentially like the

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story I wrote I was Tom DeLonge says he

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will be the conduit for UFO disclosure

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and that's what he's saying he's saying

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the government has hidden information

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that they've sent out disinformation

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originally they wanted to slowly get the

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information out and now he's kind of

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been chosen to be the guy to get the

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real info out there by some of these

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insiders

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he says he'll tell more over time but

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some of the things that he says they

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have told him is that there is a

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government program around UFOs

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apparently I think he's alluding to that

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you know there are aliens and/or UFOs at

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area 51 but he does say he learned that

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a UFO there happened UFO crashes that

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have been recovered that they have

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received a body that freaked out the

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government and that's all he said so far

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but I guess he's going to do more

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interviews with George Knapp as time

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goes on to reveal his alleged insider

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info yeah I've been following that and

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the first thing I think of right off the

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bat is why would the government or any

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other entity choose him to reveal all

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that he answers that question actually

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he says they chose him because he has

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the ear of a younger audience

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essentially

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and that's the type of audience I guess

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they want to reach well do you think he

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has that type of following that large of

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one he has a huge following I mean he's

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a major rock star the issue is you know

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our rock stars credible and I think most

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people would say no and not to this

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DeLong or anything because you know I've

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got well we all have a lot of rock stars

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that we love to death but they're just

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kind of like Kardashians or something

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they're not seen as you know scientists

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or they've seen people who are prone to

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having some pretty wild ideas and he has

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a history of having some pretty wild

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lyrics so I don't know that the

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credibility is there so that certainly I

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think would be an issue and I know from

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writing stories and I'm sure you find

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this too when we write about celebrities

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and what they think about UFOs I

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appreciate that they talk about it and

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they're bold enough to talk about their

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interests but a lot of people probably

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people who aren't as into whatever that

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person does are like why should I listen

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to that person they're just a stupid

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rocks are they're just a stupid

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celebrity what do they know but so I

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think that's how a lot of people feel so

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you're right I I don't know whether or

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not he would be the best person to

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choose so it's a good question you know

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I just hope that he's not being duped

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yeah I know we more or less talked about

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that a little bit on your show and I

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wondered if you know somehow Richard

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Doty could be involved in this and has

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he long since retired do you know what

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his status is no he's still a police

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officer from what I understand and he's

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a police officer in Grant's New Mexico

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and he's always popping in to the scene

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it doesn't seem like certainly not a

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year goes by without him sending an

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email somewhere or talking to somebody

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about his wild ideas and his alleged

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knowledge of similar things that belongs

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talking about I know in fact that I've

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heard that he even converses with george

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knapp on occasion so

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yeah you never know hopefully it's not

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someone like that that has fooled him

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into believing some wild stories so

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there's a Richard Doty on Facebook I

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think it's Richard Doty jr. maybe I

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don't know I don't I don't believe that

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the real Richard Doty is on Facebook I

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see yeah that I could be wrong if it

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could have changed but yeah doesn't

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appear so so yeah I know you've written

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about him have you ever thought about

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interviewing him directly oh yeah I

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didn't you have know Jason and Maureen

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did Oh with open mind about five years

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ago so we do have that online in effect

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I used some of the pictures from our

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interview with him but he's even you

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know he came to our conference in 2015

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well he didn't stay for very long he

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only came in during bob lazar stock and

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then he snuck out with george knapp and

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jeremy Korbel and bob lazar they all

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hung out together

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Reuben Langdon and because I don't know

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if they know him but he certainly seems

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to be into Bob was our story so yeah

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there's another story about a real

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government insider and this comes from a

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very credible source this is Leslie Kane

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actually it comes directly from this

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government insider so Leslie Kane

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interviewed by an a man by the name of

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Chris Mellon Chris Mellon has worked

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he's retired retired now but he worked

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his entire career with the Department of

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Defense and in intelligence and his job

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was to do such things as audit black

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projects these compartmentalized

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projects he's really secret projects so

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this interview is fascinating because

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this guy has had a lifelong interested

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in UFOs he became interested when he was

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just a kid and his school's principal

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caught on film a video or not a video

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but a movie film you know because that's

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what they had back then a UFO and he

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said

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fascinating he didn't believe it was it

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was hoax he thought it was real ever

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since then he's read everything and been

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really into the topic now his interest

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in UFOs was not something he shared with

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his colleagues only his friends and and

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those colleagues who became close

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friends but it's not something that he

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really talked about although one Navy

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personnel a Navy man

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I guess heard about his interest and

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called him with this remarkable sighting

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that he had but Mellon goes on to say

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cuz Kane asked him well what about

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Clinton would she really be able to find

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anything if she looked for UFOs and he

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said no he said I highly doubt it

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first of all compartmentalized programs

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not even the Secretary of State has

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access to now they can't lie and they

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don't you know they release their

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budgets to the government and everything

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but as far as details about different

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programs you know they just have to have

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a need-to-know and the president

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wouldn't have a need-to-know so most

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likely she would not be able to gain

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access to those programs however beyond

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that he says he doesn't think there are

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such programs that he visited area 51 he

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literally audited black projects and he

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found no inkling of any secret UFO

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projects going on he says actually

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something very similar to John Alexander

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who was another guy in he was in army

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intelligence of course who looked for

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the UFO secrets in the government and

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military john alexander assumed there

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were some and found that there weren't

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and he says something very similar to

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what Chris Mullin says which is it's

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just they are so freaked out by the

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topic that when a real case happens they

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they want nothing to do with it they

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don't want to be ridiculed they don't

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want to be made fun of

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they just feel awkward and strange about

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it so they want to kind of move it along

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and get it off their desk as soon as

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possible and just try to kind of put

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their bury their head in the sand over

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the whole incident and move on he's

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found that to be the case which he says

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is extremely frustrated

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and he says he it's very frustrating to

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him that you know the topic isn't taken

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more seriously and so he's joined this

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group UFO data which is a group of

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scientists who are hoping to kind of

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create some UFO listening posts these

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UFOs stations where they can catch video

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and other telemetry of UFOs to try to

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understand them better and he

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essentially says you're wasting your

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time going to the government and telling

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them to spill the beans about their

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cover-up because all that's going to do

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is upset people and they're not they're

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gonna be less inclined to take you

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seriously he said what really needs to

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happen is some science and we have to go

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out there and find the evidence and

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that's what we have to bring to the

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mainstream to get them more involved

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which I do agree with that you know so

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yeah really interesting interview it's

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it's somewhat lengthy she posted that on

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Huffington Post they have since been

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putting it on the front page of

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Huffington Post and I guess it's been

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doing really well now I wonder if this

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is the status quo or the way things have

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changed since project us since Project

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Blue Book was closed back in 1969 or

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well what do you think about that well

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that's what's interesting and it's hard

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to know I think you know I interviewed

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Richard Hoffman fairly recently he's at

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Alabama State Director for MUFON Alabama

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and Mississippi and he works in an IT

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for a defense and different intelligent

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groups and he makes a few points that

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the the information is going somewhere

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that there are people with an interest

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and the information is going somewhere

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and he points to many cases where the

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government has said like agrement or I

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mean you know cases where they were told

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to send that information up and they

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never see their UFO case again and it

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happened several times Gordon Cooper for

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instance yeah he was told send his video

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to this place in it

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or when it comes to the nuclear cases

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and I talked to Robert Hastings about

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this where you know they're told well

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when they see a UFO send that

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information to Air Force intelligence

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and it goes there and they never hear

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about it so it seems like the data is

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being collected

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but maybe but what's being done beyond

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that and what can be done beyond that

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maybe there's not much they can do but

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file those cases away and it's kind of

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like the x-files they have this x-files

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of of cold cases where you know we don't

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know what the hell we filed it away and

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our mysterious you know cold cases file

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and and that's all we can do if they

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can't really investigate something that

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happened in the past or something they

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don't understand so in that scenario

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that could be the case and then it goes

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beyond you know some of these things who

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Tom DeLonge is talking about was there a

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crash were there aliens at area 51 this

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sort of thing of course if that's the

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case then there's something bigger going

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on but besides you know the testimony of

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one lone person Bob Lazar there is no

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evidence whatsoever that that really

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happened and up beyond stories that's

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all we have even with Roswell so it's so

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hard like I said you know who do you

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believe that Tom Lange Tom DeLonge

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version the Chris melon version what the

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heck is going on all good stuff now is

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that it for tonight that is it for

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tonight one last thing because it is a

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fun story this is a story that came from

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MUFON it was a MUFON report and posted

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by Roger Marsh but this is a testimony

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from a couple who and the the the

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husband of this married couple has since

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passed away but this is from Cornwall

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you know right on the ocean they're

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essentially these people said they were

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heard they got some fish and chips they

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drove to the cliffs of st. dust in

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Cornwall to look at the water and have a

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nice little evening dinner they're in

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their car

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well they said a person came walking up

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the cliffs who looked like

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old-time olden times smuggler they said

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from the 17 or 1800s and that this

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person had a large wooden staff and a

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small barrel or keg under his right arm

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it's they said that it reminded him of

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the television show Poldark if anybody's

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seen that they play that on PBS here in

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the US so they saw this guy and it was

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really windy and he disappeared right

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after that and the reason it becomes a

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UFO story is that right behind him was

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this white orb this ball that kind of

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blew off they said it was spinning super

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quickly and even though it was windy it

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wasn't affected at all by the wind and

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then it flew away so just kind of a

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really interesting weird story they felt

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that this perhaps ghostly apparition was

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related to their UFO sighting and and

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maybe it was a ghost some opening and

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portal in a dimension but it's just kind

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of a fun story that we just posted today

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and these stories can be seen on open

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minds dot TV and that's it also I help

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you with the podcast with the news every

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Monday open minds UFO radio right oh

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thanks a lot all right thank you

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talk to you next week yeah we'll talk to

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you soon have a great time out there and

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I have a great show now a little bit

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about our guest it's really hard for me

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to pronounce his name he was born in

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1986 in Poland and Piatra syllabus holds

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a MA in history and a BA in political

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sciences

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he's a well known polish writer and a

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journalist specializes in French science

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and paranormal phenomena co-founder of

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infra org dot pl website collecting UFO

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reports long-term ufological publisher

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and contributor to ufological magazines

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and websites in english he writes

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regularly on one et that's Oh n et dot

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pl the most

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our peeler polish web portal for the now

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there's a lot of things hard to

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pronounce here the knees in a sweat

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the oldest polish monthly publication

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devoted to fringe and science and

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paranormal phenomena he is the whole

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author of the true UFOs a book in Polish

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summarizing UFO phenomena and so that's

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it in a nutshell we'll be talking right

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now to Piatra welcome to the show I met

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him you know I probably didn't do a very

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good job pronouncing your name if you

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wouldn't mind could you pronounce your

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name for the listening audience my name

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is Peter chillin guys and I'm aware that

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it may be how to pronounce by people

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speaking in English but also many people

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in Poland have problems with my my

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surname so well that's good to know

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can you tell the listening audience

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we're gonna get into your book here in a

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minute

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and it's called UFOs over Poland land of

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high strangeness of like the title it's

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in English and can you tell the audience

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I'm interested in UFOs on the paranormal

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since titled as many other researchers

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and authors but the main reason of my

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interest was my personal sighting of UFO

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when I was a child it was a

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very interesting exciting in fact

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because it it

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I saw a typical flying saucer

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but I wasn't abducted I'm not a UFO buff

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in fact I tend to research the topic

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rather in scientific manner and from

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historical perspective because I'm

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history and by education so I try to

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find some historical parallels in the

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phenomenon but also I must say that my

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grandmother stories about strange

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occurrences in her family also started

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my interest in in paranormal and and

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strange phenomena because the UFO is not

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only fact of my interest in in the field

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I'm working as a publisher and author in

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his initial magazine in on a spell where

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I'm writing about fine science

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paranormal and other so UFOs as I said

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before on yeah I've heard of interest

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yep now and what prompted you to write

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this book in English is that also in

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Polish no it's only in English I become

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aware that many many sightings and cases

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from Polish UFO history is not known

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abroad so I decide for some total - some

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kind of summary of Polish UFO history

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and and show the people the UFO

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community community in the world that

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Poland has long and very strange UFO

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history because

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many cases contained in the book shows

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that the phenomenon in Poland tends to

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be very very complicated in fact that

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the title is connected with what I mean

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to say the land of high strangeness and

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many cases and you have four

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manifestations in parent aware of

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strangeness in nature so they contain

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some some very unusual elements well

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can't wait to get into some of those

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often I've asked guests on the show when

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we discuss hot spots for UFOs if there's

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other you know paranormal activity in

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the area and a lot of times there seems

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to be whether it's even goes as far as

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people talking about Bigfoot ghosts and

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all kind of wrapped into one area so I

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would like to get into discussion I'm

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not saying that's what you're talking

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about but I'd like to get in discussion

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about some of those interesting cases

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but before we do is this a book that you

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will translate into to polish no because

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all the cases in the in the book can be

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found in other publications on my web

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site on websites of my friends so people

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in Poland may find the material in other

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sources and the book itself may not be

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so shocking

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for our readers that would involve

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because they know the the those cases

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and no but I'm now

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in editorial process of my book in

545
00:26:02,409 --> 00:25:57,530
Polish

546
00:26:07,120 --> 00:26:02,419
it's called true UFOs and it will appear

547
00:26:08,830 --> 00:26:07,130
in probably in the autumn so but it's

548
00:26:12,250 --> 00:26:08,840
not the same material it's it's very

549
00:26:14,770 --> 00:26:12,260
different I mean in true UFOs I am

550
00:26:19,299 --> 00:26:14,780
trying to summarize the phenomenon from

551
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:19,309
the very beginning to present times and

552
00:26:25,120 --> 00:26:21,610
and so very interesting parallels from

553
00:26:28,750 --> 00:26:25,130
historical perspective okay and getting

554
00:26:31,900 --> 00:26:28,760
back to what I called the hot spots just

555
00:26:34,900 --> 00:26:31,910
earlier word they have flaps or there's

556
00:26:37,570 --> 00:26:34,910
a lot of UFO sightings in one area is

557
00:26:43,060 --> 00:26:37,580
there a place or places in Poland where

558
00:26:48,940 --> 00:26:43,070
that holds true yes indeed there are

559
00:26:54,250 --> 00:26:48,950
several places in Poland where UFO

560
00:26:55,900 --> 00:26:54,260
activity is quite regular and hi I'm in

561
00:27:00,070 --> 00:26:55,910
two places

562
00:27:05,049 --> 00:27:00,080
first is clinic clinic is a village in

563
00:27:05,980 --> 00:27:05,059
search of area is is south eastern tip

564
00:27:08,490 --> 00:27:05,990
of Poland

565
00:27:14,770 --> 00:27:08,500
maybe not the tip but it's close to

566
00:27:16,810 --> 00:27:14,780
stovic and Ukrainian border and it's a

567
00:27:20,500 --> 00:27:16,820
very strange place because it's a normal

568
00:27:27,360 --> 00:27:20,510
village at the first glance but people

569
00:27:31,419 --> 00:27:27,370
there are holding stories from the past

570
00:27:35,380 --> 00:27:31,429
from decades ago about very strange

571
00:27:39,820 --> 00:27:35,390
phenomena for example they say that the

572
00:27:43,810 --> 00:27:39,830
village in 1960s of 60s and Allah knows

573
00:27:49,049 --> 00:27:43,820
a place of very strange activities of

574
00:27:53,700 --> 00:27:49,059
flying humanoids mini UFOs and so on but

575
00:27:59,350 --> 00:27:53,710
the activity in greening is not

576
00:28:01,750 --> 00:27:59,360
typically you follicle many aspects of

577
00:28:05,740 --> 00:28:01,760
the phenomenon are different for example

578
00:28:08,460 --> 00:28:05,750
people see the so they're flying

579
00:28:12,910 --> 00:28:08,470
humanoids but

580
00:28:14,980 --> 00:28:12,920
some other people may may mistake their

581
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:14,990
manifestations with ghosts

582
00:28:28,060 --> 00:28:23,810
so those entities were looking as were

583
00:28:32,110 --> 00:28:28,070
similar to to some kind of specters or

584
00:28:36,100 --> 00:28:32,120
so but there were also manifestation of

585
00:28:39,490 --> 00:28:36,110
typical flying saucers in clinic the the

586
00:28:43,030 --> 00:28:39,500
situation and how history of the

587
00:28:45,310 --> 00:28:43,040
villages is is described in one of the

588
00:28:48,730 --> 00:28:45,320
chapters of UFOs over Poland my friend

589
00:28:55,330 --> 00:28:48,740
Eric Niaga who was researching the the

590
00:28:57,850 --> 00:28:55,340
the story is asserting that something

591
00:29:02,230 --> 00:28:57,860
strange is going on in England but it's

592
00:29:05,940 --> 00:29:02,240
not a regular activity it's coming in in

593
00:29:09,580 --> 00:29:05,950
waves for example for example now the

594
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:09,590
there is complete silence silence in

595
00:29:17,530 --> 00:29:12,250
greening not nothing is going on but

596
00:29:22,060 --> 00:29:17,540
probably in 2010 there was a very

597
00:29:29,470 --> 00:29:22,070
strange incident when two people two men

598
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:29,480
from being so tall dark figure lurking

599
00:29:44,380 --> 00:29:37,850
in the in the field and they were very

600
00:29:46,780 --> 00:29:44,390
scared so cleaning is one of hotspots of

601
00:29:51,220 --> 00:29:46,790
the UFO and paranormal hotspot in in

602
00:29:55,050 --> 00:29:51,230
Poland but there are also other ones for

603
00:29:58,720 --> 00:29:55,060
example in Czestochowa area where I live

604
00:30:04,320 --> 00:29:58,730
there's a place called awesome Hill

605
00:30:09,329 --> 00:30:04,330
awesome is this name of of some man who

606
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:09,339
who was a local who was one of the

607
00:30:16,949 --> 00:30:13,570
locals it's it's a name of a man who

608
00:30:22,229 --> 00:30:16,959
rana airfield in the area of the healin

609
00:30:25,919 --> 00:30:22,239
that become awesome hill the area is

610
00:30:29,570 --> 00:30:25,929
also a place of strange activity but of

611
00:30:36,899 --> 00:30:29,580
another kind other kind than in benek

612
00:30:40,259 --> 00:30:36,909
because also he is known in the reaffirm

613
00:30:44,339 --> 00:30:40,269
manifestation of flying object of flying

614
00:30:49,159 --> 00:30:44,349
objects in 2002 my friend jagger starch

615
00:30:53,089 --> 00:30:49,169
in skin so so one of these objects and

616
00:30:59,459 --> 00:30:53,099
that was very strange incident because

617
00:31:03,389 --> 00:30:59,469
he met a flying sphere and when he was

618
00:31:06,239 --> 00:31:03,399
in his car and when when he blinked the

619
00:31:12,299 --> 00:31:06,249
headlights of his car that the sphere

620
00:31:16,349 --> 00:31:12,309
repeated the signal so it means that the

621
00:31:19,469 --> 00:31:16,359
object was probably intelligent some

622
00:31:25,769 --> 00:31:19,479
people say that innocent hill area the

623
00:31:28,589 --> 00:31:25,779
incidence of natural of natural nature

624
00:31:32,430 --> 00:31:28,599
for short can be explained for example

625
00:31:37,079 --> 00:31:32,440
by some kind of atmospheric phenomena as

626
00:31:40,409 --> 00:31:37,089
ball lightning but I never heard about

627
00:31:41,459 --> 00:31:40,419
ball lightning repeating the light

628
00:31:44,759 --> 00:31:41,469
signal

629
00:31:47,279 --> 00:31:44,769
I receive many man reports from us on

630
00:31:56,359 --> 00:31:47,289
hill they may be not so spectacular as

631
00:31:59,459 --> 00:31:56,369
in linic but in 2014 there was very

632
00:32:04,310 --> 00:31:59,469
interesting incident in in the area

633
00:32:08,279 --> 00:32:04,320
because the the awesome here is is near

634
00:32:15,569 --> 00:32:08,289
local foundry just off of a foundry very

635
00:32:16,899 --> 00:32:15,579
very large plant and in 2014 I got a

636
00:32:21,940 --> 00:32:16,909
report from a

637
00:32:27,639 --> 00:32:21,950
from Czestochowa the the main witness

638
00:32:31,649 --> 00:32:27,649
said that he saw along with her her

639
00:32:37,450 --> 00:32:31,659
girlfriend a very interesting object

640
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:37,460
that make that made a car to stop that

641
00:32:53,950 --> 00:32:47,570
made a cell phone to broke down and it

642
00:32:58,899 --> 00:32:53,960
was just a small ball of light standing

643
00:33:02,950 --> 00:32:58,909
in the ground but it's electromagnet but

644
00:33:05,799 --> 00:33:02,960
it's false it's its influence was so

645
00:33:09,759 --> 00:33:05,809
high that they carved the cell phones

646
00:33:13,180 --> 00:33:09,769
and and other instruments were broken

647
00:33:16,629 --> 00:33:13,190
down so it's also very interesting about

648
00:33:19,149 --> 00:33:16,639
other hot spots it's hard to say because

649
00:33:23,859 --> 00:33:19,159
in other parts of Poland the UFO

650
00:33:26,710 --> 00:33:23,869
activity is not restricted to to for

651
00:33:33,249 --> 00:33:26,720
example villages or or some other kinds

652
00:33:36,519 --> 00:33:33,259
of or some other locations a rush of

653
00:33:41,369 --> 00:33:36,529
city is also a place of high activity of

654
00:33:46,570 --> 00:33:41,379
UFOs but the manifestations aren't

655
00:33:53,049 --> 00:33:46,580
concentrated in in one area also for

656
00:33:57,299 --> 00:33:53,059
example for example throught suave big

657
00:34:01,539 --> 00:33:57,309
city in western Poland is also a kind of

658
00:34:05,889 --> 00:34:01,549
UFO hotspot but it's not so restricted

659
00:34:12,419 --> 00:34:05,899
it's not restricted to one region of one

660
00:34:15,720 --> 00:34:12,429
one point but the bigger area so if we

661
00:34:19,720 --> 00:34:15,730
talk about this

662
00:34:24,910 --> 00:34:19,730
this is the this kind of phenomena and I

663
00:34:29,110 --> 00:34:24,920
also must mention about Bigfoot's

664
00:34:35,350 --> 00:34:29,120
because I like the topic and many people

665
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:35,360
maybe may be surprised but by the fact

666
00:34:43,300 --> 00:34:37,810
that in Poland we also got very

667
00:34:47,500 --> 00:34:43,310
interesting reports about I may not call

668
00:34:52,810 --> 00:34:47,510
it Bigfoot but about people saying say

669
00:34:55,660 --> 00:34:52,820
about strange monsters I got I received

670
00:35:02,680 --> 00:34:55,670
very very very poor very many reports

671
00:35:07,570 --> 00:35:02,690
about about strange creators you know to

672
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:07,580
call Bigfoot Yeti and polar no no it's

673
00:35:18,820 --> 00:35:12,290
not yet in intolerant and we have not

674
00:35:24,340 --> 00:35:18,830
tradition of of Bigfoots and and Harry

675
00:35:27,720 --> 00:35:24,350
how many needs but in some years recent

676
00:35:36,720 --> 00:35:27,730
years we got many reports from people

677
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:36,730
reporting some strange creators and and

678
00:35:45,940 --> 00:35:40,130
it's very interesting because there are

679
00:35:48,490 --> 00:35:45,950
no they they aren't present in in polish

680
00:35:51,250 --> 00:35:48,500
folklore but now how they are appearing

681
00:35:53,590 --> 00:35:51,260
for for some reason and then that's very

682
00:36:00,460 --> 00:35:53,600
strange people saying for example that

683
00:36:03,970 --> 00:36:00,470
that they encountered them in in in

684
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:03,980
woods and it's hard to believe because I

685
00:36:13,060 --> 00:36:06,970
have never seen about Bigfoot in Poland

686
00:36:18,580 --> 00:36:13,070
but now the cases become to emerge so so

687
00:36:22,740 --> 00:36:18,590
it's it's hard to say what is the reason

688
00:36:25,660 --> 00:36:22,750
of the activity are the Bigfoots living

689
00:36:28,720 --> 00:36:25,670
creatures or maybe their product of some

690
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:28,730
kind of some kind of paranormal

691
00:36:35,410 --> 00:36:33,770
photos mm-hmm well before there's a some

692
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:35,420
questions I want to ask you about what

693
00:36:42,670 --> 00:36:39,530
you just said but where do you report

694
00:36:44,790 --> 00:36:42,680
sightings I mentioned that you take some

695
00:36:49,510 --> 00:36:44,800
reports but is there any type of

696
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:49,520
national reporting center in Poland no

697
00:36:58,050 --> 00:36:54,170
and there never was mm-hmm along with my

698
00:37:01,830 --> 00:36:58,060
friends with our igneous Gurewitz

699
00:37:04,900 --> 00:37:01,840
diamond trela and many others we are

700
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:04,910
forming a kind of collective informal

701
00:37:13,060 --> 00:37:09,170
collective and we are sharing the

702
00:37:17,260 --> 00:37:13,070
information about sightings but it must

703
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:17,270
be said that in this year that the UFO

704
00:37:28,690 --> 00:37:24,650
activity is very low so many reports how

705
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:28,700
changes all the time I'm sure and a lot

706
00:37:34,060 --> 00:37:31,130
of the time people would not have any

707
00:37:38,770 --> 00:37:34,070
idea where to report something to begin

708
00:37:43,810 --> 00:37:38,780
with now what is the ridicule factor

709
00:37:49,150 --> 00:37:43,820
like in Poland it's very complicated

710
00:37:57,390 --> 00:37:49,160
because since a session of Poland into

711
00:38:01,560 --> 00:37:57,400
NATO structures it's become very

712
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:01,570
complicated to speak publicly about UFOs

713
00:38:10,980 --> 00:38:06,050
I don't know the reason the exact reason

714
00:38:15,250 --> 00:38:10,990
but I think that Polish Air Force is

715
00:38:19,030 --> 00:38:15,260
restricting the information is trying to

716
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:19,040
ridicule the topic because they know

717
00:38:30,060 --> 00:38:23,570
that every comments about unexplained

718
00:38:35,210 --> 00:38:30,070
activity other Poland maybe be connected

719
00:38:41,030 --> 00:38:35,220
for example in the eyes of Americans too

720
00:38:45,020 --> 00:38:41,040
two Russian Russian activity so it may

721
00:38:49,190 --> 00:38:45,030
be a matter of it may be a matter of

722
00:38:54,010 --> 00:38:49,200
fear that the the Polish Air Force is

723
00:39:04,160 --> 00:38:54,020
not saying publicly about the UFO cases

724
00:39:10,099 --> 00:39:04,170
feeling of feeling of ridicule of the

725
00:39:12,589 --> 00:39:10,109
other countries and the for example

726
00:39:18,290 --> 00:39:12,599
polish television is not covering the

727
00:39:26,060 --> 00:39:18,300
topic in you know only smart small part

728
00:39:29,780 --> 00:39:26,070
of media are interested in in the in the

729
00:39:34,130 --> 00:39:29,790
UFO activity but Internet is the the

730
00:39:37,670 --> 00:39:34,140
main source of information about that

731
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:37,680
kind of phenomena mainstream media seems

732
00:39:46,310 --> 00:39:42,570
not to be interested at all in in the

733
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:46,320
topic yeah that is unfortunate now going

734
00:39:53,089 --> 00:39:48,930
back to some of the sightings you just

735
00:39:55,430 --> 00:39:53,099
talked about I wanted to ask a couple of

736
00:40:00,829 --> 00:39:55,440
questions first of all can you give

737
00:40:09,050 --> 00:40:00,839
details of this flying humanoids cases

738
00:40:14,780 --> 00:40:09,060
or case mm-hmm flying humanoids and at

739
00:40:19,430 --> 00:40:14,790
some point in the in the past were very

740
00:40:24,290 --> 00:40:19,440
common because from the beginning of the

741
00:40:29,510 --> 00:40:24,300
this century I receive many cases about

742
00:40:34,490 --> 00:40:29,520
strange figures figures floating in the

743
00:40:40,550 --> 00:40:34,500
middle but then I received also some

744
00:40:44,329 --> 00:40:40,560
other cases so I may maybe start with a

745
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:44,339
very interesting story from western

746
00:40:55,190 --> 00:40:50,970
Poland in 1969 a group of young young

747
00:41:01,609 --> 00:40:55,200
young men boys teenagers were returning

748
00:41:05,060 --> 00:41:01,619
to to lots of vivid from the cinema and

749
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:05,070
on the way they meet with a strange

750
00:41:13,820 --> 00:41:10,050
figure it was it was not very tall it

751
00:41:17,030 --> 00:41:13,830
was or the average head but the head of

752
00:41:21,140 --> 00:41:17,040
the of the entity was was great

753
00:41:25,730 --> 00:41:21,150
looked like plasticine made with a kind

754
00:41:30,620 --> 00:41:25,740
of a real of halo about the head blue

755
00:41:34,730 --> 00:41:30,630
body and the main witness who was who

756
00:41:38,930 --> 00:41:34,740
reported me that the story said that if

757
00:41:42,740 --> 00:41:38,940
he was a religious person he would

758
00:41:47,570 --> 00:41:42,750
mistook the bank with angel because it

759
00:41:51,109 --> 00:41:47,580
looked so similar to endow the boys look

760
00:41:52,970 --> 00:41:51,119
at the at the being who was standing

761
00:41:57,710 --> 00:41:52,980
just by them

762
00:42:00,410 --> 00:41:57,720
and rushed to to eat thinking that it

763
00:42:07,780 --> 00:42:00,420
may be as of some kind of I don't know

764
00:42:11,750 --> 00:42:07,790
prankster also and the alleged angel

765
00:42:16,010 --> 00:42:11,760
become probably scared and began running

766
00:42:20,839 --> 00:42:16,020
and why why is running from from from

767
00:42:23,420 --> 00:42:20,849
from from the voice it was not not not

768
00:42:27,950 --> 00:42:23,430
not touching the grant because it was

769
00:42:30,980 --> 00:42:27,960
flying just over the ground and and and

770
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:30,990
they become very scared because they saw

771
00:42:38,799 --> 00:42:34,490
that is it is nothing natural

772
00:42:42,819 --> 00:42:38,809
so that was that the the last of case

773
00:42:46,240 --> 00:42:42,829
also covered in the book when the next

774
00:42:50,260 --> 00:42:46,250
interesting case with flying humanoid

775
00:42:53,020 --> 00:42:50,270
took place borders will never in 2008 in

776
00:42:56,940 --> 00:42:53,030
the main witness an elderly woman

777
00:43:01,630 --> 00:42:56,950
contacted me and say that during a straw

778
00:43:05,700 --> 00:43:01,640
during a trip with her husband to born s

779
00:43:08,410 --> 00:43:05,710
Villanova she met a strange floating

780
00:43:11,170 --> 00:43:08,420
transparent figure and the poor

781
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:11,180
naturally never is a row at City is a

782
00:43:19,390 --> 00:43:16,690
former base of Red Army in Poland it's a

783
00:43:24,970 --> 00:43:19,400
it's a military complex now now

784
00:43:28,900 --> 00:43:24,980
abandoned and when when the wonder when

785
00:43:34,839 --> 00:43:28,910
the pair split the man went in one side

786
00:43:40,990 --> 00:43:34,849
and and his woman and his his wife hid

787
00:43:44,530 --> 00:43:41,000
in the other direction she said that at

788
00:43:49,809 --> 00:43:44,540
some moment she realized that some kind

789
00:43:52,630 --> 00:43:49,819
of semi-transparent entity is floating

790
00:43:57,730 --> 00:43:52,640
in the earth it looked it looked like

791
00:44:05,670 --> 00:43:57,740
like a man with crossed arms it was very

792
00:44:11,109 --> 00:44:05,680
big and that being looking as as

793
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:11,119
camouflage that predator from there from

794
00:44:17,230 --> 00:44:12,650
the movie which fell with with

795
00:44:21,430 --> 00:44:17,240
frightened again just passed above them

796
00:44:26,849 --> 00:44:21,440
the woman she she she was she was

797
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:26,859
panicked she wasn't able to move and

798
00:44:33,510 --> 00:44:30,290
when the entity past and and disappeared

799
00:44:37,460 --> 00:44:33,520
in the woods she ran to the Curan and

800
00:44:41,359 --> 00:44:37,470
screamed for them for for her

801
00:44:44,839 --> 00:44:41,369
husband another interesting case with

802
00:44:47,270 --> 00:44:44,849
flying humanoids took place in in a

803
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:47,280
small village in the rural area and it's

804
00:44:59,599 --> 00:44:55,010
called Manassas and it took place in

805
00:45:03,680 --> 00:44:59,609
2005 and autumn were a family from the

806
00:45:08,359 --> 00:45:03,690
village so that so that very strange

807
00:45:10,940 --> 00:45:08,369
shape is coming from the sky to the

808
00:45:13,910 --> 00:45:10,950
woods to the nearby woods it was it

809
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:13,920
looked like a landing cover of a flying

810
00:45:19,130 --> 00:45:16,170
humanoid in the woods they become very

811
00:45:22,220 --> 00:45:19,140
scared but they decide to run to the

812
00:45:24,079 --> 00:45:22,230
woods and check what it was and when

813
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:24,089
they reach the third thing they couldn't

814
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:29,130
fight that it couldn't fight the ping

815
00:45:41,150 --> 00:45:34,410
but feared some strange presence in that

816
00:45:45,250 --> 00:45:41,160
place so to sum up I am NOT able to say

817
00:45:49,220 --> 00:45:45,260
exactly what flying humanoid would be

818
00:45:51,740 --> 00:45:49,230
that I think that they had something in

819
00:45:57,620 --> 00:45:51,750
common with the broader nature of the

820
00:46:00,770 --> 00:45:57,630
UFO phenomenon the the nature that is

821
00:46:06,890 --> 00:46:00,780
not completely understand by us because

822
00:46:11,660 --> 00:46:06,900
we we look at the UFOs from from by

823
00:46:15,859 --> 00:46:11,670
there through the perspective of a

824
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:15,869
flying saucers and and green man but

825
00:46:25,849 --> 00:46:20,490
there also some other manifestations

826
00:46:29,450 --> 00:46:25,859
that are very very strange but also but

827
00:46:33,620 --> 00:46:29,460
are also embraced but by them but the

828
00:46:38,569 --> 00:46:33,630
time but by the time UFO or ufological

829
00:46:41,510 --> 00:46:38,579
so flying humanoid mace made me shoulder

830
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:41,520
very complex in nature of UFO phenomena

831
00:46:48,490 --> 00:46:45,810
well that's interesting and the the

832
00:46:51,950 --> 00:46:48,500
thing you said about the angel almost

833
00:46:55,190 --> 00:46:51,960
could make one speculate that you know

834
00:46:59,240 --> 00:46:55,200
people were drawing angels and the whole

835
00:47:01,490 --> 00:46:59,250
creation of angels in our history may

836
00:47:05,870 --> 00:47:01,500
have had to do with something that that

837
00:47:07,370 --> 00:47:05,880
person saw just maybe going out on a

838
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:07,380
limb by saying something like that but

839
00:47:13,550 --> 00:47:11,970
it's still very interesting and I it's

840
00:47:17,030 --> 00:47:13,560
something mmm

841
00:47:20,809 --> 00:47:17,040
I also heard about a case in Poland I'm

842
00:47:26,089 --> 00:47:20,819
loves I remember that the place of the

843
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:26,099
of the incident but there was a UFO

844
00:47:32,780 --> 00:47:28,130
sighting in one village immense so

845
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:32,790
flying ball with some kind of shape

846
00:47:40,220 --> 00:47:35,970
inside the ball and then he was so

847
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:40,230
excited and so charmed but by the by the

848
00:47:47,750 --> 00:47:45,690
incident they that he built a chapel a

849
00:47:52,390 --> 00:47:47,760
small chapel in the place of the

850
00:47:59,870 --> 00:47:52,400
incident saying that it was a

851
00:48:04,190 --> 00:47:59,880
manifestation of Virgin Mary so angel is

852
00:48:07,190 --> 00:48:04,200
not them not only thing that people made

853
00:48:10,309 --> 00:48:07,200
me stuck with oh yeah well you know I

854
00:48:12,829 --> 00:48:10,319
had a past guest on that said that there

855
00:48:16,460 --> 00:48:12,839
was a few encounters were there were

856
00:48:17,780 --> 00:48:16,470
orbs where it appeared to be something

857
00:48:21,350 --> 00:48:17,790
inside the or

858
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:21,360
which like the moving entity or

859
00:48:26,530 --> 00:48:23,370
something which is pretty interesting

860
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:26,540
and you were talking earlier about the

861
00:48:33,050 --> 00:48:30,090
reaction to light that that one orb or

862
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:33,060
whatever it was had and there's a number

863
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:36,770
of cases where there's a reaction to

864
00:48:42,530 --> 00:48:39,570
like an intelligent reaction to someone

865
00:48:46,660 --> 00:48:42,540
either flashing a flashlight or like you

866
00:48:51,110 --> 00:48:46,670
mentioned a car light very interesting

867
00:48:52,670 --> 00:48:51,120
other a lot of other cases in Poland

868
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:52,680
where there's some type of

869
00:48:58,250 --> 00:48:55,770
electromagnetic reaction like there was

870
00:49:03,520 --> 00:48:58,260
with that car and cellphone of that one

871
00:49:08,930 --> 00:49:03,530
case mm-hmm I know many cases with with

872
00:49:15,140 --> 00:49:08,940
that kind of reaction of for example

873
00:49:19,030 --> 00:49:15,150
cars cellphones on UFO activity but the

874
00:49:23,060 --> 00:49:19,040
most interesting one and the most

875
00:49:27,410 --> 00:49:23,070
controversial one because I don't know

876
00:49:32,990 --> 00:49:27,420
exactly what what what caused the then

877
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:33,000
incident was the fishing boat meeting

878
00:49:44,020 --> 00:49:37,290
with a strange orb flying flying ball on

879
00:49:48,790 --> 00:49:44,030
the Baltic Sea in 1980s and the case was

880
00:49:57,670 --> 00:49:48,800
probably never explained because it

881
00:50:02,450 --> 00:49:57,680
happened in time of passing of one not

882
00:50:05,570 --> 00:50:02,460
everything it might be published in

883
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:05,580
newspapers it

884
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:09,930
it happened on the Baltic Sea when when

885
00:50:18,110 --> 00:50:13,850
a fishing boat of Schomburg family

886
00:50:21,590 --> 00:50:18,120
encountered a strange object over over

887
00:50:25,810 --> 00:50:21,600
the the waters it was just hovering over

888
00:50:30,230 --> 00:50:25,820
the sea in some distance from them and

889
00:50:31,730 --> 00:50:30,240
at some point something strange began to

890
00:50:37,310 --> 00:50:31,740
happen with the

891
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:37,320
crew some say that they were nearly

892
00:50:47,300 --> 00:50:40,770
pariah paralyzed but by the by strange

893
00:50:50,450 --> 00:50:47,310
fault they they they think that they the

894
00:50:53,720 --> 00:50:50,460
state has something in common with the

895
00:50:56,720 --> 00:50:53,730
strange object in the distance but they

896
00:51:00,010 --> 00:50:56,730
were weren't able even to ask for help

897
00:51:05,900 --> 00:51:00,020
because there will paralyze the lost

898
00:51:10,490 --> 00:51:05,910
energy one of the one of them and even

899
00:51:16,579 --> 00:51:10,500
temporarily lost sight it they weren't

900
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:16,589
able to to call for help the captain of

901
00:51:26,570 --> 00:51:23,490
the boat being on his last legs tended

902
00:51:32,570 --> 00:51:26,580
by by the steering well and try to to

903
00:51:37,780 --> 00:51:32,580
get and get to the part but it was it

904
00:51:46,339 --> 00:51:37,790
was very hard to him to to maneuver the

905
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:46,349
ship being in the in the constant under

906
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:50,690
the constant influence of the object so

907
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:54,050
Schomburg sample case was very

908
00:52:00,890 --> 00:51:56,490
controversial because when the they

909
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:00,900
finally reached the part there they will

910
00:52:11,420 --> 00:52:07,410
check by by paramedics and the case went

911
00:52:14,060 --> 00:52:11,430
silent totally silent even today no one

912
00:52:16,220 --> 00:52:14,070
knows what exactly happened with with

913
00:52:21,589 --> 00:52:16,230
with those people

914
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:21,599
some months ago I talked with my papa

915
00:52:26,180 --> 00:52:22,650
and my papa giza

916
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:26,190
polish UFO researcher and journalist and

917
00:52:32,930 --> 00:52:30,690
she she wrote about Samburu case and she

918
00:52:38,630 --> 00:52:32,940
is also not certain what what what may

919
00:52:43,250 --> 00:52:38,640
happen what what my caused the incident

920
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:43,260
she suggested me that it was a kind of

921
00:52:51,470 --> 00:52:48,810
experiment with electromagnetic weapons

922
00:52:58,370 --> 00:52:51,480
but I'm not very sure about that

923
00:53:02,820 --> 00:52:58,380
explanation the the witnesses themselves

924
00:53:07,020 --> 00:53:02,830
also not present in the media they just

925
00:53:11,940 --> 00:53:07,030
disappeared probably living very quiet

926
00:53:15,630 --> 00:53:11,950
lives and the case remained mystery and

927
00:53:19,500 --> 00:53:15,640
it's the the most interesting case of

928
00:53:23,670 --> 00:53:19,510
some kind of influence of the UFO on on

929
00:53:29,250 --> 00:53:23,680
the witnesses Wow interesting that's a

930
00:53:32,130 --> 00:53:29,260
good one now you are a historian so I

931
00:53:36,060 --> 00:53:32,140
would like to talk a little bit about

932
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:36,070
historic UFO sightings and why don't you

933
00:53:41,310 --> 00:53:38,290
go into that a little bit as far as how

934
00:53:44,070 --> 00:53:41,320
far back that they're recorded that

935
00:53:46,710 --> 00:53:44,080
you're aware of and and bring it forward

936
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:46,720
if you would into some of the highlights

937
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:52,770
of some of the cases to be honest I

938
00:54:04,430 --> 00:53:56,650
don't know many historical polish UFO

939
00:54:07,370 --> 00:54:04,440
cases because at some point of of

940
00:54:12,620 --> 00:54:07,380
historical recordings at some levels

941
00:54:18,240 --> 00:54:12,630
strange reports become very similar to

942
00:54:23,450 --> 00:54:18,250
for example ordinary reports about about

943
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:23,460
about astronomical events so I'm very

944
00:54:33,930 --> 00:54:30,010
suspicious about some historical

945
00:54:36,870 --> 00:54:33,940
chronics and services but one of the

946
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:36,880
most interesting cases found from the

947
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:42,610
test took place in just before the great

948
00:54:52,140 --> 00:54:47,610
great Battle of Vienna when polish King

949
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:52,150
Jung sobieski was heading on the battle

950
00:54:56,630 --> 00:54:54,090
with with his his

951
00:55:01,030 --> 00:54:56,640
others and solve a very interesting

952
00:55:06,010 --> 00:55:01,040
phenomenon that was probably not an

953
00:55:10,900 --> 00:55:06,020
astronomical phenomenon but a kind of

954
00:55:13,970 --> 00:55:10,910
other manifestation maybe a UFO and

955
00:55:18,410 --> 00:55:13,980
description of the even may be found in

956
00:55:20,180 --> 00:55:18,420
the book I also remember in a very end

957
00:55:25,190 --> 00:55:20,190
abuse in the 17th century

958
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:25,200
I also remember another another record

959
00:55:31,970 --> 00:55:28,650
from some kind of historical source from

960
00:55:34,850 --> 00:55:31,980
stretching area but that that took place

961
00:55:38,020 --> 00:55:34,860
on in present present Poland but the

962
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:38,030
witness what was a German boy to them

963
00:55:48,050 --> 00:55:43,770
and he saw that he related to the author

964
00:55:52,630 --> 00:55:48,060
of The Chronicle that he saw some kind

965
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:52,640
of entity a white boy white and

966
00:55:58,430 --> 00:55:55,050
descending from from some kind of the

967
00:56:01,520 --> 00:55:58,440
object so that was also a very very

968
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:01,530
interesting and suggestive manifestation

969
00:56:11,150 --> 00:56:06,450
if we talk about 19th century or 12th

970
00:56:13,930 --> 00:56:11,160
century we we also can find

971
00:56:17,599 --> 00:56:13,940
some interesting more interesting

972
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:17,609
reports about unexplained activity in

973
00:56:25,309 --> 00:56:22,410
the sky in 19th century we can find in

974
00:56:30,380 --> 00:56:25,319
Polish sources reports about flying

975
00:56:32,660 --> 00:56:30,390
balloons with with with spotlights seen

976
00:56:36,259 --> 00:56:32,670
for example in info carpaccio area in

977
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:36,269
reserved area people the witnesses

978
00:56:43,670 --> 00:56:41,130
reported seeing objects that they took

979
00:56:48,910 --> 00:56:43,680
for balloons but they were probably the

980
00:56:52,819 --> 00:56:48,920
same airships that were seen in in USA

981
00:56:57,370 --> 00:56:52,829
during the during the Great Wave of off

982
00:57:02,779 --> 00:56:57,380
from the end of 19th century but in

983
00:57:06,279 --> 00:57:02,789
century before the Arnold's I think

984
00:57:09,589 --> 00:57:06,289
there were very very very interesting

985
00:57:13,999 --> 00:57:09,599
reports from Poland for example in the

986
00:57:19,069 --> 00:57:14,009
war so in 1920s there was an incident

987
00:57:23,239 --> 00:57:19,079
involving flying saucer that nearly

988
00:57:27,890 --> 00:57:23,249
landed in Warsaw in one of the districts

989
00:57:30,459 --> 00:57:27,900
in Warsaw the witnesses reported that it

990
00:57:34,819 --> 00:57:30,469
took look like two plates doing it

991
00:57:40,729 --> 00:57:34,829
together and the object according to the

992
00:57:44,539 --> 00:57:40,739
witness got very near to the ground and

993
00:57:48,349 --> 00:57:44,549
then then then went up but it almost

994
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:48,359
looked like a crash landing and then

995
00:57:56,599 --> 00:57:51,450
there were some cases from World War two

996
00:58:00,049 --> 00:57:56,609
also very interesting for example in a

997
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:00,059
case from Novi no Venus is missing in

998
00:58:11,809 --> 00:58:03,450
eastern Poland in Samaj area but the

999
00:58:15,349 --> 00:58:11,819
case was resulted in 1980s because it

1000
00:58:20,599 --> 00:58:15,359
took place a long time for the witness

1001
00:58:22,700 --> 00:58:20,609
to to review the story well Wow

1002
00:58:25,860 --> 00:58:22,710
and the witness said the

1003
00:58:32,580 --> 00:58:25,870
the only living witness of the incident

1004
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:32,590
say that during the war in 1943 a

1005
00:58:43,350 --> 00:58:40,210
strange craft landed by the hut but the

1006
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:43,360
house and some very strange men emerged

1007
00:58:49,820 --> 00:58:46,090
from the object the the witness said

1008
00:58:53,070 --> 00:58:49,830
that they were short they were in

1009
00:58:56,870 --> 00:58:53,080
strange helmets and try to communicate

1010
00:59:02,340 --> 00:58:56,880
with with the witnesses at some point

1011
00:59:06,150 --> 00:59:02,350
two witnesses from the house who went

1012
00:59:09,630 --> 00:59:06,160
off and approached the object and while

1013
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:09,640
approaching they were temporarily

1014
00:59:15,330 --> 00:59:12,490
paralyzed probably and and fall to the

1015
00:59:21,930 --> 00:59:15,340
ground after the beings from the object

1016
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:21,940
try to to try to call them they show the

1017
00:59:30,210 --> 00:59:26,170
they pointed to the craft and and try to

1018
00:59:34,310 --> 00:59:30,220
prompt that the witnesses to to approach

1019
00:59:41,220 --> 00:59:34,320
and enter the curve interrupt a part but

1020
00:59:45,660 --> 00:59:41,230
it didn't happen then also we have some

1021
00:59:49,410 --> 00:59:45,670
interesting case in Warsaw another time

1022
00:59:53,540 --> 00:59:49,420
in war so during the during the Jewish

1023
00:59:58,230 --> 00:59:53,550
uprising just before the Jewish uprising

1024
01:00:03,530 --> 00:59:58,240
in Warsaw occupied Belgium by German

1025
01:00:06,450 --> 01:00:03,540
forces by Hitler army and the case was

1026
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:06,460
witnessed by clashing years of Casimir

1027
01:00:16,770 --> 01:00:10,770
Pulaski was a Polish UFO researcher and

1028
01:00:20,940 --> 01:00:16,780
in 1943 he was a young boy living in or

1029
01:00:21,870 --> 01:00:20,950
so and at one time when he was in the

1030
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:21,880
Jewish ghetto

1031
01:00:31,740 --> 01:00:27,130
he's so he saw a strange object hovering

1032
01:00:34,710 --> 01:00:31,750
in in the air it was very easy it was as

1033
01:00:35,780 --> 01:00:34,720
the justice just he said full of colors

1034
01:00:38,390 --> 01:00:35,790
inside eating

1035
01:00:43,730 --> 01:00:38,400
it looked like if it was a ball with

1036
01:00:47,030 --> 01:00:43,740
with a mix of many carbs inside and the

1037
01:00:50,750 --> 01:00:47,040
object was hovering over our houses very

1038
01:00:56,300 --> 01:00:50,760
low low over the ground and Germans and

1039
01:01:00,950 --> 01:00:56,310
Latvian soldiers began to in the shot to

1040
01:01:04,850 --> 01:01:00,960
the object but but the bullets have no

1041
01:01:05,450 --> 01:01:04,860
effect under and on the UFO so it was a

1042
01:01:11,210 --> 01:01:05,460
look

1043
01:01:14,300 --> 01:01:11,220
object was inspecting the the the the

1044
01:01:18,380 --> 01:01:14,310
there were so the the what is going on

1045
01:01:22,430 --> 01:01:18,390
down in the occupied city so you don't

1046
01:01:25,490 --> 01:01:22,440
know last thing I would ever do if I had

1047
01:01:28,100 --> 01:01:25,500
a gun audience our UFO would be dare to

1048
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:28,110
shoot at it I couldn't leave you know

1049
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:30,210
I've heard of heard of that before

1050
01:01:34,790 --> 01:01:32,970
but you would think if they have the

1051
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:34,800
intelligence to get here they could just

1052
01:01:41,630 --> 01:01:37,770
zap you something off would useless

1053
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:41,640
existence bouzouki was observing the the

1054
01:01:51,020 --> 01:01:47,130
scene by by by binoculars so he saw it

1055
01:01:56,630 --> 01:01:51,030
very well and he reported in his books

1056
01:01:59,390 --> 01:01:56,640
that the scene was shocking and and the

1057
01:02:01,850 --> 01:01:59,400
bullets have no effect on the on the

1058
01:02:06,970 --> 01:02:01,860
object but I know another very

1059
01:02:10,990 --> 01:02:06,980
interesting case from Poland I'm not

1060
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:11,000
sure where it where it happened

1061
01:02:20,060 --> 01:02:15,690
probably in central Poland but the man

1062
01:02:22,610 --> 01:02:20,070
who reported the sighting also mentioned

1063
01:02:25,910 --> 01:02:22,620
that he should nearly shot at the object

1064
01:02:32,980 --> 01:02:25,920
he saw he said that when he was in in

1065
01:02:37,670 --> 01:02:32,990
army and was was guarding the the

1066
01:02:41,570 --> 01:02:37,680
military base but was one of the of the

1067
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:41,580
guards he saw very very strange object

1068
01:02:48,770 --> 01:02:45,450
moving over the over the base and he was

1069
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:48,780
so shocked that he took his gun

1070
01:02:57,830 --> 01:02:54,890
and in the object in the one of the

1071
01:03:01,250 --> 01:02:57,840
lights seeing of the object and try to

1072
01:03:05,660 --> 01:03:01,260
shoot but at the same time when he was

1073
01:03:09,070 --> 01:03:05,670
trying to do it he heard a strange

1074
01:03:18,970 --> 01:03:09,080
communicate in his head saying don't

1075
01:03:27,170 --> 01:03:23,810
interesting because the the telepathic

1076
01:03:30,470 --> 01:03:27,180
of telepathic communication with the

1077
01:03:35,540 --> 01:03:30,480
witnesses is something very uncommon in

1078
01:03:38,690 --> 01:03:35,550
fact in in UFO sightings in Poland well

1079
01:03:41,660 --> 01:03:38,700
coming back to the flying saucer in

1080
01:03:45,260 --> 01:03:41,670
nineteen you know the which would call

1081
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:45,270
flying disc in 1920 I mean you know you

1082
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:48,810
hear people talk about the first seen

1083
01:03:57,800 --> 01:03:54,330
UFO or that was a disc shape was by

1084
01:04:00,920 --> 01:03:57,810
Kenneth Arnold back in 1947 and so it's

1085
01:04:03,590 --> 01:04:00,930
really interesting to hear any reports

1086
01:04:07,550 --> 01:04:03,600
of similar objects at an earlier time

1087
01:04:08,270 --> 01:04:07,560
you said this look like two plates kind

1088
01:04:14,050 --> 01:04:08,280
of together

1089
01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:14,060
he is it was it was as I remember

1090
01:04:21,050 --> 01:04:17,810
described as two plates doing it

1091
01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:21,060
together and look like typical flying

1092
01:04:32,110 --> 01:04:29,370
discs 1920 Wow probably 1922 that the

1093
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:32,120
report may be found in the in the book

1094
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:35,010
aha so while we're kind of on that

1095
01:04:41,390 --> 01:04:38,450
subject of wealth of historical ones

1096
01:04:43,730 --> 01:04:41,400
through also through World War two

1097
01:04:46,060 --> 01:04:43,740
how about pilot encounters I noticed

1098
01:04:49,460 --> 01:04:46,070
that was mentioned in your book mm-hmm

1099
01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:49,470
it's also very complex Polish pilots

1100
01:04:55,990 --> 01:04:53,730
meet with strange object in the past and

1101
01:05:07,920 --> 01:04:56,000
it's

1102
01:05:11,470 --> 01:05:07,930
from the research of other ufo-ologists

1103
01:05:14,860 --> 01:05:11,480
but now the pair had to find a pilot who

1104
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:14,870
is who who dare to report that his UFO

1105
01:05:22,030 --> 01:05:18,890
sighting I heard about I heard many

1106
01:05:25,660 --> 01:05:22,040
stories for probably the most intriguing

1107
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:25,670
ones came from general general general

1108
01:05:34,900 --> 01:05:29,890
turned off and turned off was the

1109
01:05:37,540 --> 01:05:34,910
highest figure in in Polish army who who

1110
01:05:42,610 --> 01:05:37,550
said directly about the UFOs and he

1111
01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:42,620
mentioned in at some point that in 1950s

1112
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:45,250
one of the Polish pilots perished

1113
01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:49,010
disappeared during during a UFO chase

1114
01:05:59,610 --> 01:05:53,090
and he probably died in the same way as

1115
01:06:04,210 --> 01:05:59,620
Thomas mentor but also other pilots

1116
01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:04,220
reported strange activities and one of

1117
01:06:12,180 --> 01:06:07,370
the most interesting cases was research

1118
01:06:18,030 --> 01:06:12,190
by Damien trailer very very variable

1119
01:06:22,930 --> 01:06:18,040
researcher from Brasov area and he

1120
01:06:27,220 --> 01:06:22,940
described in his in his report a tale of

1121
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:27,230
two pilots who saw a flying disc that

1122
01:06:36,010 --> 01:06:32,210
was so close to the crafts today today

1123
01:06:40,750 --> 01:06:36,020
today today rejects that it was shocking

1124
01:06:45,070 --> 01:06:40,760
for them the the sighting can be found

1125
01:06:48,910 --> 01:06:45,080
also in the book but I also heard

1126
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:48,920
stories typical stories about for

1127
01:06:57,040 --> 01:06:54,010
example flying balls chased by pilots or

1128
01:07:00,790 --> 01:06:57,050
similar incidents so it's very

1129
01:07:04,810 --> 01:07:00,800
interesting to learn that in the past

1130
01:07:09,710 --> 01:07:04,820
there were many incidents of that kind

1131
01:07:15,020 --> 01:07:09,720
and when pilots or military was reacting

1132
01:07:20,170 --> 01:07:15,030
- UFO activity but now it's over now you

1133
01:07:23,710 --> 01:07:20,180
can't find any pilot reporting UFO and

1134
01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:23,720
that's probably connected with with

1135
01:07:30,980 --> 01:07:28,130
Polish accession to NATO because

1136
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:30,990
something strange happens some kind of

1137
01:07:42,349 --> 01:07:35,490
curtain fall on the on the on the topic

1138
01:07:45,500 --> 01:07:42,359
and from 2000 probably circa 2000 there

1139
01:07:49,370 --> 01:07:45,510
are no fresh reports of from military

1140
01:07:54,170 --> 01:07:49,380
pilots so so it's very very interesting

1141
01:07:58,280 --> 01:07:54,180
in in fact you can even find in from any

1142
01:08:02,540 --> 01:07:58,290
information in Poland from civilian

1143
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:02,550
pilots so the UFO topic in our country

1144
01:08:08,180 --> 01:08:07,530
officially is non-existing wow that's

1145
01:08:10,910 --> 01:08:08,190
amazing

1146
01:08:14,690 --> 01:08:10,920
you know you've talked about spheres

1147
01:08:16,700 --> 01:08:14,700
like orbs and things like that you

1148
01:08:19,550 --> 01:08:16,710
talked about discs

1149
01:08:22,070 --> 01:08:19,560
how about triangles there's a lot of

1150
01:08:25,519 --> 01:08:22,080
reports of triangles in this country and

1151
01:08:29,269 --> 01:08:25,529
the United States that is flying

1152
01:08:32,390 --> 01:08:29,279
triangles and boomerangs because because

1153
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:32,400
we got reports about boomerang-shaped

1154
01:08:43,519 --> 01:08:38,730
objects in recent years those reports

1155
01:08:48,910 --> 01:08:43,529
were very common in from probably 2008

1156
01:08:53,630 --> 01:08:48,920
to 2014 there was a small flap of

1157
01:09:00,140 --> 01:08:53,640
triangular UFOs over Poland and what was

1158
01:09:04,220 --> 01:09:00,150
the most interesting Kingdom we found

1159
01:09:10,090 --> 01:09:04,230
that most of the sightings took place in

1160
01:09:16,789 --> 01:09:10,100
close vicinity to to military bases

1161
01:09:19,670 --> 01:09:16,799
exact to bases of Air Force polygraphers

1162
01:09:21,410 --> 01:09:19,680
for example in Lublin it's our yellow

1163
01:09:25,939 --> 01:09:21,420
beanie despite new

1164
01:09:31,220 --> 01:09:25,949
from from my city there's a base of

1165
01:09:36,950 --> 01:09:31,230
Special Forces and in 2013 for probably

1166
01:09:40,450 --> 01:09:36,960
I received a report from a wife of one

1167
01:09:43,430 --> 01:09:40,460
of the soldiers and the woman said that

1168
01:09:47,510 --> 01:09:43,440
during a night strong with her dog he

1169
01:09:50,209 --> 01:09:47,520
saw a huge boomerang shaped object

1170
01:09:53,229 --> 01:09:50,219
hovering over over the small city it

1171
01:09:57,169 --> 01:09:53,239
just passed over the blocks over the

1172
01:10:01,180 --> 01:09:57,179
over the city very low and it looked

1173
01:10:03,590 --> 01:10:01,190
like to be covered in some kind of

1174
01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:03,600
camouflage but it was very strange

1175
01:10:14,209 --> 01:10:07,890
because the camouflage made the object

1176
01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:14,219
more visible it was a quasi camouflage

1177
01:10:21,410 --> 01:10:17,730
very very very strange aspect and that

1178
01:10:25,610 --> 01:10:21,420
aspect of of camouflage making the

1179
01:10:29,060 --> 01:10:25,620
object more visible is appealing also in

1180
01:10:35,930 --> 01:10:29,070
other reports for example in Sandomierz

1181
01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:35,940
a in Centauri City in 2008 a man quite

1182
01:10:45,220 --> 01:10:40,730
real the real boomin so flying

1183
01:10:50,229 --> 01:10:45,230
boomerangs dotted with small red points

1184
01:10:56,450 --> 01:10:50,239
also covered by some kind of camouflage

1185
01:11:01,580 --> 01:10:56,460
described by him as as kind of water of

1186
01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:01,590
or something of least but the camouflage

1187
01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:04,050
was making the object clearly visible

1188
01:11:12,100 --> 01:11:07,050
but if the object was without the

1189
01:11:16,700 --> 01:11:12,110
camouflage it would be it would be not

1190
01:11:21,350 --> 01:11:16,710
visible adult on the on the on the black

1191
01:11:27,380 --> 01:11:21,360
sky and we call that we would call that

1192
01:11:30,740 --> 01:11:27,390
a camouflage fail in the u.s. so your

1193
01:11:32,900 --> 01:11:30,750
your triangle sightings you mentioned a

1194
01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:32,910
lot of them or boomerang sightings are

1195
01:11:37,610 --> 01:11:35,250
seen near military bases and that

1196
01:11:40,180 --> 01:11:37,620
really furthers the speculation that

1197
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:40,190
there's craft out there that were not

1198
01:11:48,980 --> 01:11:43,890
aware of that actually that Poland has

1199
01:11:54,020 --> 01:11:48,990
as well as United States it was very

1200
01:11:56,720 --> 01:11:54,030
very easy to to join the triangle

1201
01:12:02,240 --> 01:11:56,730
activity of UFO triangles with military

1202
01:12:05,030 --> 01:12:02,250
but they the activity and behavior of

1203
01:12:07,580 --> 01:12:05,040
this object was so reckless and strange

1204
01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:07,590
that it was hard to believe that

1205
01:12:15,230 --> 01:12:12,210
military would start object and then

1206
01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:15,240
appear over a city where all the people

1207
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:19,050
can see it probably it's it's

1208
01:12:26,390 --> 01:12:23,010
unbelievable for example in 2009 a

1209
01:12:30,140 --> 01:12:26,400
flying triangle very strange object

1210
01:12:35,320 --> 01:12:30,150
because from the underside as the

1211
01:12:41,090 --> 01:12:35,330
witness said it look as if built of of

1212
01:12:45,650 --> 01:12:41,100
cubes it was an irregular and that

1213
01:12:50,480 --> 01:12:45,660
object appeared of a highway in central

1214
01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:50,490
Poland and look as if broken down

1215
01:12:57,470 --> 01:12:53,370
because it was moving in jerks some kind

1216
01:13:01,640 --> 01:12:57,480
of jerks and one of the lights and their

1217
01:13:06,440 --> 01:13:01,650
sight was blinking as if as if something

1218
01:13:10,460 --> 01:13:06,450
was wrong with it and and when we look

1219
01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:10,470
at the incident we can came to

1220
01:13:19,400 --> 01:13:13,410
conclusion that the object in fact may

1221
01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:19,410
have some problems and I'm not very sure

1222
01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:24,930
if military while testing some strange

1223
01:13:33,350 --> 01:13:29,090
crafts would be so reckless and and and

1224
01:13:38,570 --> 01:13:33,360
maybe even stupid too to fly over a

1225
01:13:43,790 --> 01:13:38,580
year's where everybody may to look and

1226
01:13:48,709 --> 01:13:43,800
see the objects in the sky while on the

1227
01:13:54,860 --> 01:13:52,130
do everything in the in the secret so

1228
01:13:58,430 --> 01:13:54,870
it's very strange strange it's very

1229
01:14:01,430 --> 01:13:58,440
strange tactics seen also in American

1230
01:14:07,750 --> 01:14:01,440
cases of flying triangles because when

1231
01:14:10,959 --> 01:14:07,760
we compare our our our conclusions to

1232
01:14:14,420 --> 01:14:10,969
reports from NIGC

1233
01:14:18,260 --> 01:14:14,430
about Frank triangles we and we could

1234
01:14:22,160 --> 01:14:18,270
find very interesting parallels between

1235
01:14:25,300 --> 01:14:22,170
activity in USA and triangular activity

1236
01:14:29,180 --> 01:14:25,310
in Django activity in the in Poland I

1237
01:14:32,479 --> 01:14:29,190
mentioned that to a guest I had on the

1238
01:14:35,390 --> 01:14:32,489
show a while back that was stating that

1239
01:14:38,209 --> 01:14:35,400
he thought that all triangles were some

1240
01:14:41,150 --> 01:14:38,219
military secret project that we were not

1241
01:14:43,939 --> 01:14:41,160
aware of and I said you know why would

1242
01:14:47,300 --> 01:14:43,949
they fly these things in a populated

1243
01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:47,310
area if they were secret and I think his

1244
01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:49,290
reply was something along the lines

1245
01:14:54,200 --> 01:14:52,530
where we're getting getting the public

1246
01:14:55,850 --> 01:14:54,210
used to seeing these things and that's

1247
01:14:59,689 --> 01:14:55,860
why we're doing you know that's why what

1248
01:15:04,300 --> 01:14:59,699
they're doing and maybe but I remember

1249
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:04,310
reports for example of some young

1250
01:15:14,270 --> 01:15:10,890
astronomer he reported that at some

1251
01:15:16,550 --> 01:15:14,280
point probably in 2014 he saw a strange

1252
01:15:19,700 --> 01:15:16,560
object very high in the sky because it

1253
01:15:24,380 --> 01:15:19,710
was most of the of the triangles were

1254
01:15:26,959 --> 01:15:24,390
seen on low attitudes but at that time

1255
01:15:31,400 --> 01:15:26,969
he was so the object very high in the

1256
01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:31,410
sky and it looked like if it was I don't

1257
01:15:38,479 --> 01:15:34,650
know entering the atmosphere or so I

1258
01:15:42,380 --> 01:15:38,489
remember also reports but I'm not sure

1259
01:15:45,140 --> 01:15:42,390
if it's if it's variable because the

1260
01:15:48,200 --> 01:15:45,150
witnesses didn't know to reveal his

1261
01:15:55,459 --> 01:15:48,210
identity and it was restricted only to

1262
01:15:59,570 --> 01:15:55,469
email but them and also living in in

1263
01:16:01,189 --> 01:15:59,580
this vicinity of military base so say

1264
01:16:07,340 --> 01:16:01,199
that he saw

1265
01:16:10,910 --> 01:16:07,350
flying trangle and that flying angle on

1266
01:16:16,430 --> 01:16:10,920
his eyes began to disappearing in the

1267
01:16:19,550 --> 01:16:16,440
mid so he came to conclusion that the

1268
01:16:22,700 --> 01:16:19,560
object was partially paranormal because

1269
01:16:27,260 --> 01:16:22,710
he did something that it's not

1270
01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:27,270
mmm not possible in in real world it

1271
01:16:34,090 --> 01:16:30,570
just disappeared become shrinking and

1272
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:34,100
then disappeared but also I remember

1273
01:16:39,530 --> 01:16:36,690
reports about flying triangles from for

1274
01:16:43,100 --> 01:16:39,540
example 1970s and and it's hard to

1275
01:16:46,100 --> 01:16:43,110
believe that in that times Americans

1276
01:16:49,250 --> 01:16:46,110
were flying over Poland and testing

1277
01:16:55,910 --> 01:16:49,260
those objects was it also interesting is

1278
01:16:57,950 --> 01:16:55,920
that we noticed that the activity of

1279
01:17:00,770 --> 01:16:57,960
triangles of a pond may have something

1280
01:17:04,910 --> 01:17:00,780
in common with the this situation in

1281
01:17:07,970 --> 01:17:04,920
Ukraine because just before the conflict

1282
01:17:12,050 --> 01:17:07,980
start in the Ukraine the activity of

1283
01:17:14,629 --> 01:17:12,060
flying changes rose in Poland so we came

1284
01:17:15,680 --> 01:17:14,639
to conclusion that it may be may have

1285
01:17:20,120 --> 01:17:15,690
something in common

1286
01:17:22,490 --> 01:17:20,130
I remember some opinions about Frank

1287
01:17:31,030 --> 01:17:22,500
Frank angles saying that they may be

1288
01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:31,040
kind of chaplains of of very light

1289
01:17:37,850 --> 01:17:35,610
aircrafts of military use and we came to

1290
01:17:42,020 --> 01:17:37,860
conclusion that they may be crashing to

1291
01:17:45,080 --> 01:17:42,030
Ukraine but on the other hand most of

1292
01:17:47,649 --> 01:17:45,090
the incidents with Frank angles to play

1293
01:17:53,030 --> 01:17:47,659
took place in western Poland not on the

1294
01:17:55,609 --> 01:17:53,040
eastern border well with Ukraine but on

1295
01:18:00,729 --> 01:17:55,619
the other side but maybe the activity

1296
01:18:04,490 --> 01:18:00,739
was in some manner connected with the

1297
01:18:08,780 --> 01:18:04,500
conflict that that burst in the Ukraine

1298
01:18:12,399 --> 01:18:08,790
some years ago who knows you know I

1299
01:18:14,990 --> 01:18:12,409
spoke with someone recently that is not

1300
01:18:18,350 --> 01:18:15,000
you know this is kind of like outside

1301
01:18:19,970 --> 01:18:18,360
UFO field it was just a witness who told

1302
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:19,980
me I briefly mentioned this on a past

1303
01:18:26,990 --> 01:18:23,010
show but the details are this was back

1304
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:27,000
in 1976 she was riding with her aunt

1305
01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:28,890
like in the backseat and all of a sudden

1306
01:18:33,410 --> 01:18:31,530
Iran stopped and she said you know look

1307
01:18:35,650 --> 01:18:33,420
at this up ahead and it was up she said

1308
01:18:40,340 --> 01:18:35,660
it was a perfectly shaped triangle just

1309
01:18:42,590 --> 01:18:40,350
sitting there over the road and she said

1310
01:18:46,970 --> 01:18:42,600
her aunt got out of the car and there

1311
01:18:49,490 --> 01:18:46,980
was no sound at all you know and then so

1312
01:18:52,940 --> 01:18:49,500
was hovering and then it followed their

1313
01:18:55,130 --> 01:18:52,950
car you know and this is back in 1976

1314
01:18:58,910 --> 01:18:55,140
and if our government or another

1315
01:19:01,070 --> 01:18:58,920
government had vehicles back in 1976 I

1316
01:19:03,050 --> 01:19:01,080
could do that and could move with no

1317
01:19:05,660 --> 01:19:03,060
sound I it seems to me that we would